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by **Forerunner** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:09 pm

It's the only game series/thingy I know that always seems to have an optinal boss near the end that is stronger than the actual final boss.

by **DSOK** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:59 pm

Forerunner wrote:It's the only game series/thingy I know that always seems to have an optinal boss near the end that is stronger than the actual final boss.

Then you've live a sheltered life.

by **Forerunner** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:14 am

.....maybe..... can anybody name one?
I've thought of countless titles I've played...
- Morrowind
- Zelda
- Any
- Any Starwars games
- any DBZ games
- The grand theft Autos
- various other RPG's

... and I can't think of any that Squaresoft (or whoever makes the FF's is I'm wrong) hasnt taken part in that has an optional boss that is stronger the the final boss. (and like I said... games that are like the FF's so don't try to argue games like Kingdom Hearts)

by **Belthazar** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:05 am

maybe some sports games where like u have to beat special people to get stronger? you can choose to play and get better or play low difficulty challenges against the comp.

by **Impossible** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:02 am

Forerunner, your stupid comments about games never cease to amaze me. It's virtually an RPG staple to have an extra optional boss who is harder than the final boss. It's right up there on the RPG cliche list, IIRC, and it's pretty much everywhere.

by **Forerunner** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:37 am

Well you're probably right but could someone hurry up and post an RPG that does... because I can't think of any... and just saying that it is a key factor of RPG's doesnt prove shit. :!:

by **Jabbo** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:50 pm

Golden Sun 1 (Deadbeard), Golden Sun 2 (Dullahan?), Mario RPG (Culex), Paper Mario: TYD (That skeleton dragon), to name a few.

I know there are more, but I can't name them off the top of my head (and to tell you the truth, I haven't really beaten THAT many RPGs)...
And yeah, Mario RPG is made by square, but it's not a Final Fantasy.

Optional final bosses are good (and therefore commonplace, we'd hope) in RPGs because they give the players a challenge that isn't directly related to the plot. If the final boss is a piece of cake, then they still have something to fight, but you don't have to beat the incredibly difficult battle to beat the game. Also, it makes the players who had trouble beating the final boss spend some time leveling up so they can beat the game's "ultimate challenge," milking more playing time out of them.

by **Cerem** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:34 pm

Jabbo, did nto Squaresoft develop Super Mario RPG?

Exactly.

And there are tonnes out there.
Star Ocean 2 has this angelt hing.
ALL of the Nippon Ichi games do. (LA Pucelle, Disgaea...)

by **Forerunner** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 5:23 pm

Fair enough..... I've never played any of those games which explains much.....

by **Jabbo** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 5:54 pm

Cerem wrote:Jabbo, did nto Squaresoft develop Super Mario RPG?

Er, yeah, I said that.

Jabbo wrote:And yeah, Mario RPG is made by square, but it's not a Final Fantasy.

by **fwacho** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:37 am

I'm bumping this for the reason tht the suff said earlier is very pertinant and helps in the discussion of e6 maybe Jeramyu will move it to the post e6 forum

by **Impossible** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:57 am

What the fuck? This is IMPORTANT? This is the topic we were all laughing at after we played E6, due to the fact that Strata was worthless in the end, after 15 pages of speculation about him!

Okay, we need to read through the topic and find out what important things were said...

by **Spyke10k** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:20 am

Man, that's a lot to read through. Is it really worth it?

by **Impossible** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:44 am

It is if someone else does it.

by **Spyke10k** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:47 am

Someone is probably crazy enough to do it... Not I...

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