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did kloe kill traz's mom??

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:30 pm
by Alundra
Here I am playing episode 4 again arriving at the part where rhue makes kloe cough up bad things from her past.

She explains that she did something bad: hurt somebody and make somebody else take the blame for this...
Knowing that Gauis is her blood brother, it's undoubtly him that got blamed for hurting that person. Now what if that person would happen to Trazuin's mother? Afterall, traz knows gauis is the other escapee from the battlegrounds for 'he didn't even bother to change his name'... Why don't they all recognise eachother immediately? I figure some years are between their escape and their recent meeting ... ppl do change even if we're talking about sprites .... but coming back to my point... Traz knew that gauis did escape even if its some while after he did ... but he might not have known the reason for gauis escape, thus not knowing about his mother... Now I don't know any of this for sure, but if my theory is correct, then maybe traz's mother was only hurt and traz's dad finished the job, just to fire up his son to become his perfect blade, realising the potential locked within traz.
Might also be why the blana sera (if i'm not mistaken that is traz's dad ...No?) ordered kloe to die, for then he would be sure that the truth would be burried along with her.

Ok this all may seem farfetched, but i'm writing this on an implus after playing every episode of the way up to episode 4 in less then 3 days... :s
And you can blame me for being a spammer... but at least i'm doing some decent thinking right... What do you all think of my theory?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:39 pm
by Comodo
There's a extra map under "CHESTS" Or something in episode 5 ( Alternate ending) Which pretty much secures the fact it was Rhue or Gaius. Sorry to stomp out your theories.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:40 pm
by Alundra
rhue or TRAZUIN???
Errr... lemme check...

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:43 pm
by Comodo
Crap. Crap crap. Ment Gaius. Man, I'm gonna get eaten alive for this.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:44 pm
by Alundra
ERRR YES YOU WILL!!
DUDE READ MY POST AGAIN !!!


I MEAN COME ON!! I just said that kloe hurt traz's mom and gauis took the blame for it!!!!! THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF MY POST.... SO WE GOT A PISSED OF TRAZUIN VS AN UNGUILTY GAUIS.... that might be the reason why he doesn't want to have anything to do with kloe...

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:44 pm
by Impossible
You can edit your posts, duh.

It could just be the murder of Ballar...

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:46 pm
by Alundra
I figured that it might have been related to ballar too... But if you look at the grand scale of things... it might just be the evil twist lun had in mind (maybe he'll change it right now after reading this :P )
you have at least to admit that this would be an awkward plot twist ...

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:48 pm
by Comodo
Hmm, Yeah, I suppose theres a slim chance. Not sure if it would really "Fit In" Though, all the signs point to rhue and gaius, but yeah, you *Might* Be right. Oh, and Impossible, my greatest thanks for NOT eating me alive.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:02 pm
by Impossible
Well, Traziun THOUGHT his father did it. He didn't think that Kloe did it. He has now SEEN the murder with his own eyes. So he knows who did it, so it can't be Kloe. Thus Rhue or Gaius are guilty.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:11 pm
by Alundra
i believe u'r correct impossible, tought there's one thing that bothers me... WHAT did trazuin see? And what weird thing made him see the death or killing of his mother anyhow? mental images or some weird tv thingy??
For all we know he didn't saw the accident, but in fact the blaming or the punishment of gauis .... knowing his father this might have something to do with stirring him up from the inside.
Rhue goes mental after some stress stirrs him up enough to go mental like when he's trapped in that cage and takes on countless blood lyn...
Same could happen to trazuin... they are both special....
I doubt rhue's connection in the death of trazuin's mother... It would put a load on his shoulders that's not realistic.
:idea: Besides it has to be gauis for they were together as blood lyn in the same grounds... I believe that's where the mother of trazuin got killed... at least that's what I think... Do you or anybody else have an idea on what the F*CK that mountain stronghold of traz's dad is?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:37 pm
by DSOK
Comodo wrote:There's a extra map under "CHESTS" Or something in episode 5 ( Alternate ending) Which pretty much secures the fact it was Rhue or Gaius. Sorry to stomp out your theories.

Things that aren't actually in the game shouldn't be taken too seriously. Lun may just have moved these events to the beginning of the next episode (in which case, you might still be misinterpreting what happens), or maybe he changed his mind about who killed Traziun's mother, or maybe he's just messing with us.

Impossible wrote:It could just be the murder of Ballar...

Of course it was Ballar partially, but it's not a sure thing that Kloe was referring only to one thing she'd done. It might be a pattern with her, killing people and letting others take the blame. It seems most likely that it was just Ballar she meant, but Kloe would have been present at the battle grounds when Mom died, so she is a potential suspect.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:13 pm
by Alundra
aha take that non believers :lol: whaddaya know ... finally one of my many theories that might cut it for once ^_^ ... still all in all i think it would be such a major plot twist for trazuin to find out that the person he saved from the river would be the one killing his mother...maybe not on purpose but judging what happend with ballar...
:twisted:

PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:43 am
by DSOK
Alundra wrote:aha take that non believers :lol: whaddaya know ... finally one of my many theories that might cut it for once ^_^ ... still all in all i think it would be such a major plot twist for trazuin to find out that the person he saved from the river would be the one killing his mother...maybe not on purpose but judging what happend with ballar...
:twisted:

If this is what happened, then it should definitely tie in somehow with Kloe' relationship with Gaius and the pairs' early exits from blood lyn training. I have a couple ideas how this could work, but none seems to explain everthing satisfactorily.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:58 am
by Comodo
Waitwaitwait, I can stamp this out.
Traziun on the cliff, when he declares he's going to seek revenge.
"Now that I know who He truely is, I know what I must do.
Aha.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:26 am
by DSOK
Comodo wrote:Waitwaitwait, I can stamp this out.
Traziun on the cliff, when he declares he's going to seek revenge.
"Now that I know who He truely is, I know what I must do.
Aha.

As I said, I don't think this theory is likely. However, this might be interpreted as a metaphysical reference to Kalmar, or, should Kalmar have taken over Traziun's body, it might be Kalmar speaking of his new-found knowledge of his own son.