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Postby Excell » Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:49 pm

Romance languages and even Germanic languages are far superior to any asian language in grammar and writing. Actually, Romance languages are the most superior languages in the world.
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Postby Amgard » Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:01 pm

French isn't that easy. In fact, the grammar of almost any European language could be considered the work of the devil. I also believe a similar fiend is behind the alphabets of Asian languages.

CAN NO LANGUAGE BE SIMPLE??!!


French is pretty damn easy, actually. It's easier than english, it's just annoying and my teachers were frequently frigid bitches.

For Japanese, thank China for Kanji. Japan invaded China to rape their villaged and pillage their women, and every time they did, they took a little of their alphabet every time. The result is roughly 3 million physical embodiments of your worst nightmare.

One language that IS simple is something called Esperanto created by some Spanish linguist. 14 or so grammar rules, no exceptions and sounds pretty good. Too bad no one adopts it.
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Postby DSOK » Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:09 pm

Amgard wrote:One language that IS simple is something called Esperanto created by some Spanish linguist. 14 or so grammar rules, no exceptions and sounds pretty good. Too bad no one adopts it.

There's no evidence of invented languages ever developing into realistically usable forms. The problems are twofold. First, the languages are terribly underdeveloped, and to talk about anything interesting, you always end up borrowing terms from a prevailing, established language. Second, because, even in the third world, people are very mobile today, having a language that's artificially confined to a small group of people is impractical. You ultimately have to learn something else.

There was an Esperanto film starring Shatner though....
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Postby Excell » Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:29 pm

Esperanto isn't undeveloped at all. Wasn't it created to be a universal language?
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Postby Sage Of The Wise » Thu Sep 30, 2004 5:57 pm

Amgard wrote:For Japanese, thank China for Kanji. Japan invaded China to rape their villaged and pillage their women, and every time they did, they took a little of their alphabet every time. The result is roughly 3 million physical embodiments of your worst nightmare.


Looks like I'm not the only one who read "So you want to learn Japanese".
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Postby DSOK » Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:09 pm

Excell wrote:Esperanto isn't undeveloped at all. Wasn't it created to be a universal language?

Esperanto has more vocabulary than most invented languages, but its still onlya pale imitation of a naturally developed tongue. Normal languages have many nuanced synonyms for each important concept. Esperanto has nothing even approaching this richness. Plus, it lacks many more obscure and technical terms, which must therefore be obtained as loan words, which rather defeats the purpose of the whole endeavor.
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Postby Iteroth » Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:15 pm

I can speak Jikiwasl

Here's a sample.

How is the weather today?

AnuHsu JaEIH' LIfhbe hgd' rensl?
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Postby Excell » Thu Sep 30, 2004 8:41 pm

DSOK wrote:
Excell wrote:Esperanto isn't undeveloped at all. Wasn't it created to be a universal language?

Esperanto has more vocabulary than most invented languages, but its still onlya pale imitation of a naturally developed tongue. Normal languages have many nuanced synonyms for each important concept. Esperanto has nothing even approaching this richness. Plus, it lacks many more obscure and technical terms, which must therefore be obtained as loan words, which rather defeats the purpose of the whole endeavor.


Cultural buildup isn't undeveloped. Undeveloped has to do with grammar, spelling and vocabulary. Naturally developed tongue? That has more to do with culture than with language.
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Postby DSOK » Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:52 pm

Excell wrote:
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Excell wrote:Esperanto isn't undeveloped at all. Wasn't it created to be a universal language?

Esperanto has more vocabulary than most invented languages, but its still onlya pale imitation of a naturally developed tongue. Normal languages have many nuanced synonyms for each important concept. Esperanto has nothing even approaching this richness. Plus, it lacks many more obscure and technical terms, which must therefore be obtained as loan words, which rather defeats the purpose of the whole endeavor.


Cultural buildup isn't undeveloped. Undeveloped has to do with grammar, spelling and vocabulary. Naturally developed tongue? That has more to do with culture than with language.

What these languages are lacking is precisely vocabulary. I didn't say anything about culture in that post.
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Postby Porter » Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:02 am

where has this topic gone? :D
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Postby Sage Of The Wise » Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:54 pm

rangi wrote:I played SO 2 in japanese!!!11!!!
But my personal tv has broken and I can play with ps anymore:(


Its all Rangi's fault. His post was the one to change the topic from video games to languages.
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Postby Excell » Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:43 pm

DSOK wrote:Esperanto has more vocabulary than most invented languages, but its still onlya pale imitation of a naturally developed tongue. Normal languages have many nuanced synonyms for each important concept. Esperanto has nothing even approaching this richness.


That made it sound like culture. Especially the "richness" part. Also, in spirit of the presidential debates I'll put words into your mouth.

Also, regarding the vocab thing.....you said it had a large vocabulary. Synonyms are created through use as much as they are through straight up vocab. I don't see what you're saying.....
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Postby HolsteinCow » Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:51 pm

I entered the topic from page one, and people listed their favorite games.

I click on page five, and people are arguing about languages. What the hell is wrong with you?
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Postby DSOK » Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:24 pm

Excell wrote:Also, regarding the vocab thing.....you said it had a large vocabulary. Synonyms are created through use as much as they are through straight up vocab. I don't see what you're saying.....

And I don't follow you either.....

Vocabulary is the set of available words in a language, together with their meanings. If there are two words for each possible thing, then you've got twice the vocabulary. Esperanto has words for all important concepts (although a lot of lesser concepts are missing), but it has fewer words per concept. Since synonyms tend to have slightly different shadings, a paucity of word choices makes the language less nuanced (and much less poetic).

Porter wrote:where has this topic gone?

Hey, everybody here's free to get back to posting things that are on-topic. In this spirit, here are five of my favorite games:

Chrono Trigger (SNES)
Dungeon Master (PC/Amiga/Apple IIGS)
Lego Racers (PC)
Chex Quest (PC)
Star Craft (PC)

These are not necessarily the top five (that can change, depending on my mood; I also felt there must be some more console games I was missing, but they weren't coming to mind), nor are they in any order.
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Postby Excell » Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:59 pm

Well, all I know is that it's supposed to be a pretty decent language for not having been completed.
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