Saddest Death?

[Amgard]

Lilah's death is more of an injustice. You see this totally innocent and kind woman being stoned to death by religious fanatics.

It almost makes me glad I never threw out that blowtorch and my box of oily rags.

[EmperorJeramyu]

Lilah's death is more of an injustice. You see this totally innocent and kind woman being stoned to death by religious fanatics.

Couldn't have said it better myself. That death pissed me off to no end. I hate fanatics and zealots.

Lexus's death was pretty sad Even after finding out about her in e5, I still think she had something for Rhue.

Lyrra's death was... unexpected. In the midst of psychotic turmoil, she loses her sanity, and gets killed without remorse. It really caught me off guard.

Slade's death was the saddest for me. A man who blindly believed in justice, only to have people die at his fault. He took unfair critisism without comment, and had nothing to cling to at the very end.

[DSOK]

Couldn't have said it better myself. That death pissed me off to no end. I hate fanatics and zealots.

Lexus's death was pretty sad Even after finding out about her in e5, I still think she had something for Rhue.

Lyrra's death was... unexpected. In the midst of psychotic turmoil, she loses her sanity, and gets killed without remorse. It really caught me off guard.

Slade's death was the saddest for me. A man who blindly believed in justice, only to have people die at his fault. He took unfair critisism without comment, and had nothing to cling to at the very end.

Lun did portary Lilah's death very effectively. The effect it had on me was all the more impressive, since I thought the scene where her skin disese was first revealed was not well done. (The dialogue was over the top, and without any graphical representaion of the condition, it didn't seem very compelling.)

I felt a little bad for Lexus, because she obviously had some affection in her personality, but it was equally obvious to me that she was messing with Rhue from the outset. In the scene leading up to her death, I was just wishing the melodrama would end and she would take it in the gut. (Actually, I was hoping to get to fight her, but she didn't seem like she'd be that hard, based on her earlier appearances.)

Lyrra's death was pretty surprising, but her story was quite effective. It was particularly poignant, because, in a game with a more pabulum plotline, she would almost certainly have ended up as Rhue's girl. (She was certainly set up looking that way at the beginning.) I often found myself wishing that Rhue would give up on Serena, who was obviously either 1) dead, 2) bogus, or 3) both and take up with Lyrra (or, later, Kloe), and I was pretty ticked off when she ended up with Strata.

Slade's death seemed like a completely natural development, based on what had happened to him. He was a slave to order; although it was clear that he honestly believed that the strictures he followed and enforced were for the common good, he was quite capable of being willfully blind to the inconsistencies of this viewpoint. He was also something of a solipsist, believing that the only knowledge relevant to dealing with his situation was a knowledge of his own morality. Ultimately, he could not accept accept that the people and circumstances controlling him were not so far above reproach as he had placed them, and the only alternative was to blame himself for everything that went wrong.

[Amgard]

Think the whole Rhue-stabby drained him of what sanity he had left?

[Sephiroth555]

Lexus' Death... When I saw that the first time I gasped and held my mouth. A sad death, but I became annoyed that it turned out that Lexus had a far out obsession with Dancing Violet. To me, it was like saying "We know you feel bad for accidently killing her, but there's an upside to it!" Well yeah, thats how it felt to me...

Slade's Death... A death you could salute to, not so much as a salute to honouring him for turning out the way he did, but just out of the fact that there was a man who did nothing but dedicated his life to a system constructed by man, and that in the end, it changed a strong, courageous man into someone who was afraid of just being alone with a girl, scared to death that he would let another life slip out of his hands... Killing Cetsa was the best thing he did though, to make his big finish...

Saddest Death for me is Lyrra's, and it seems to be for many. It was just so sad, my heart fell like her sword to the ground. Her last words "What a terrible ending to my story". Those were words that could not be substituted for anything less. Well done to Lun, it was depressing, but it was something you could look at and admit that it touched you in a profound way...

The Way truly has it's moments...

[DSOK]

Think the whole Rhue-stabby drained him of what sanity he had left?

Drained who? Rhue? Slade? I'm not sure what you're talking about....

[Telephalsion]

think he referred to slade.. might have been strata though

[DSOK]

think he referred to slade.. might have been strata though

Oh, right, I get it.

I think Slade's defeat by Rhue was a major blow to his ego, but not a central cause of his suicide. People kill themselves when they're extremely depressed. (Actually, they generally wait until they're starting to get a little better; when they're really in the depths of despondency, they're usually unable to muster the will to do anything.) Although the suicide typically has one particular reason for doing away with himself, he wouldn't consider the option unless he were upset about other things as well. So Slade's defeat was a probably a contributor to his depression, but not the actual reason he took his own life.

More significant was probably the fact that Slade was reliving the guilty memories of his youth while he was unconscious. (That's what Rhue, through the sword in Slade's gut, was witnessing.) He saw that even his earliest efforts on behalf of order and authority had turned out poorly, and he refused to blame anyone but himself.

[Johnny(TM)]

I think the death of Lexus is the saddest. After that we can see her ghost three time around Estrana.

[Amgard]

Well if you check out my Character Break-down topic, Apophis, I noted I think that Slade WASN'T suicidal. His rampant depression doesn't lead that far. He beleives he can't protect women. He let down his two sisters, Lyrra, Lexus and when Kloe approached him, he felt it his duty to save her from himself. So he jumped. He may have jumped later, but Kloe sparked his real initiative.

Lilah: I felt really angry and wanted to tear Velucia a new one. I've always hated her. Thank God we'll get to kill her.

Lexus: I saw it coming. She was just too perfect for Rhue. She was too attached and, knowing the Way's fluctuation of party, wouldn't carry well. I still felt a little bad since her speech was rather touching.

Lyrra: The most unfair. Her entire life was one giant kick in the ass, so she makes up this mentality that it's a story and it'll all hit the denounement in the end and her life will be set straight. Her life was just letdown after letdown. Only Strata ever helped her out, and it was a self-serving relationship for both of them

Slade: Sadly, like Lexus, his use was up. He confided in Rhue, fought him and lost. He embodies Rhue's stubborness. He refused to relent, and it became both a virtue of his and a vice. His death really sucked. He SHOULD'VE died in the plunge or complications from that sword wound. Killing himself was a bit of a killer for his personality (then again that situation revealed more of it)

Trazuin: Nahhh, not yet at least.

[DSOK]

Well if you check out my Character Break-down topic, Apophis, I noted I think that Slade WASN'T suicidal. His rampant depression doesn't lead that far. He beleives he can't protect women. He let down his two sisters, Lyrra, Lexus and when Kloe approached him, he felt it his duty to save her from himself. So he jumped. He may have jumped later, but Kloe sparked his real initiative.

I read what you wrote; I just don't entirely agree with that evaluation. People who are thinking about suicide tend to get anxious and more prone to go through with the act if somebody they don't entirely trust comes close to them. Suicide is (especially in Slade's case) is in some fashion a way of taking control over one's life; it serves as a final proof that a person is capable of acting on his own and is not merely a victim of circumstance. If somebody tries to interfere, this may be seen as a further threat to the victim's power of volition; this can then force the person over edge (literally and figuratively). I think that's essentially all that happened in Slade's case. The way he was framing the problem to himself was peculiar (and in some measure a dodge), but his underlying motivations look pretty standard.

[Amgard]

Both motives seem very consistent with his character. Though I think one of the things he said before he jumped to Kloe: "I can't help you, I can't help anyone" helps my case.

I think his last "choice" came with stabbing Cetsa, not with jumping.

[Lord_Ehrgeiz]

Saddest death is Sorya, cuz my Rhue kill her (i think). That thing totally pissed me off, cuz i like that chara and was trying to "upgrade her variable (releationship)".
Slade death... You'll not belive, but, for me, it was most unbelivbl moment of the game. And, as i hated Slade almost so hard, as Strata, i just laught. Kloe - beauty of the game, i love her!

[Greatchickenman]

Sorya only dies if she hates you. I maximized my relationship with her and she didnt die.

[DSOK]

Both motives seem very consistent with his character. Though I think one of the things he said before he jumped to Kloe: "I can't help you, I can't help anyone" helps my case.

Slade is certainly thinking about the things you mention as he's standing there contemplating his fate. I just don't think that the "threatening" proposition that he might try to protect Kloe and fail was what really sent him over the edge.

I think his last "choice" came with stabbing Cetsa, not with jumping.

He made a poor choice of cliffs and didn't fall far enough to kill himself instantaneously. As he's lying there dying, he reverts to form and carries out what he perceives to be the logical extension of his work (and something that he's convinced won't be a failure)--killing Cetsa.