The PS, Who could it be?

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Postby Culix » Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:34 pm

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1-st: we sow her in Estrana (transparent or no, there was rain and all...)


If Lexus was alive and transparent in the rain, then everyone else who was alive would have been transparent in the rain. As anyone can see, they are not. This means that the Lexus Rhue saw was obviously different from every normal person Rhue can meet at the time, likely (i.e. almost 100% definitely) Lexus's ghost or a figment of Rhue's woe-riddled imagination. It's not proof that she's alive.

2-nd: we havent see her in dream estrana, and if we based on all yours theoriz, there we can see person, which was killed by rhue/phantom slasher. Did somebody sow her? (if imposible post again, zat she is on dream estrana map i'll go crazy!) No!


... I think I'll just quote the Simpsons to answer that:

Homer: Ah. Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm.
Lisa: That's spacious reasoning, dad. By your logic, I could prove that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Oh? How does it work?
Lisa: It doesn't work!
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: It's just a stupid rock!
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you?

Not seeing Lexus in The City means nothing. I'll presume you meant that, based ONLY on that, it's conceivably possible that Lexus might be alive. So, a very, very, very weak point to the Lexus lives theory.

3-rd: as i see, rhue gets powerfull aura of people he killed, right? Fire/Wind aura of Jed, Illuminaty and co. of Slade... Than why we dont get some pith (i wrote this word wrong, right?) of Lexus? Isnt her fighting stile was awesome? Coz she is alive!!!


Rhue didn't get anything from killing Kygar, either. Not good evidence.

However, all of those facts pale in comparison to the ultimate proof: You can see her freaking grave next to her father's and her mother's in Ruined Estrana or The City! She's dead! Accept it!
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Postby Antagon » Wed Jan 26, 2005 12:01 am

Kygar was defeated, he might still be alive...
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Postby Impossible » Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:58 am

Not seeing Lexus in The City means nothing.


But Lexus IS... *sigh* I give up...
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Postby Exiled » Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:25 am

In Dream Estrana Lexus is located at: (106,039)

And it is impossible to get there.
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Postby Non-Sequitur » Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:17 am

Can you please answer a question for me? What is the name of the person you follow in that part of the game, the one who takes you to see Jed, the one who is searching for someone named I believe "Jehmur" or something.


You are thinking of Midian and he is searching for Jeruh.
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Postby Parhelion » Wed Jan 26, 2005 1:46 pm

Thank you, Non-Sequiter.

After I posted that, I spent a while reading everyone's theories on the story in various threads.

Regardless of who the slasher is, my current thought is that Rhue's memories of his past are largely false.

There has to be a Serena. Scatha told Cetsa that she once knew her. But I don't think Rhue has actually spent any considerable amount of time searching for her.

I think Rhue has suffered some kind of memory loss, and any of his memories prior to the beginning of episode 1 are the product of his imagination filling in the blanks.

Even if I'm right, it doesn't necessarily point towards Rhue as the slasher, though. He could have, for example, lost his memory through some sort of encounter with the slasher.
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Postby Telephalsion » Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:11 pm

Parhelion wrote:Thank you, Non-Sequiter.

After I posted that, I spent a while reading everyone's theories on the story in various threads.

Regardless of who the slasher is, my current thought is that Rhue's memories of his past are largely false.

There has to be a Serena. Scatha told Cetsa that she once knew her. But I don't think Rhue has actually spent any considerable amount of time searching for her.

I think Rhue has suffered some kind of memory loss, and any of his memories prior to the beginning of episode 1 are the product of his imagination filling in the blanks.

Even if I'm right, it doesn't necessarily point towards Rhue as the slasher, though. He could have, for example, lost his memory through some sort of encounter with the slasher.


First off: nice name.

Secondly: It's obvious that his memory is in some way fucked up. Gaius tells us that he and Rhue killed someone but Rhue doesn't remeber Gaius. Also we have the mysterious Midian, who in some way has affected Rhue. We also have the pendant, Two of the girls fought over it... can't rembember wich ones, I think it was Kloe and Cetsa who fought over it, I think one of them found it by a river, thus if serena had fallen into the river she could've dropped and it then came to Cetsa and Kloe.
I personally think that Rhue and Lyrra we're siblings. It would make sense, they look pretty much alike (judging from sprites and faces) also, from the dream sequence in wich rhue sees lyrra in a forest, we can guess that she witnessed the landorin massacre. And only one child was KNOWN to survive. Rhue is a wildcard, not mentioned by anyone as a survivor.
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Postby Sage Of The Wise » Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:00 pm

culix wrote:Rhue didn't get anything from killing Kygar, either. Not good evidence.


I'm pretty sure you get a blade art, Slot Plug or somthing like that.

Parhelion wrote:Honestly, I'm pretty confused by the plot at this point. Don't get me wrong, it's my fault, and the story is excellent. I just didn't expect it, and didn't pay enough attention early on.


If you still don't understand it, maby you can be a little more specific on what you don't get.

Parhelion wrote:There has to be a Serena. Scatha told Cetsa that she once knew her. But I don't think Rhue has actually spent any considerable amount of time searching for her.


Scatha also knew Rhue from the past, people seem to forget that.

Telephlasion wrote: It's obvious that his memory is in some way fucked up. Gaius tells us that he and Rhue killed someone but Rhue doesn't remeber Gaius


Maby Rhue just pretends not to remember and actually does... Nevermind, I've been playing to much Baten Kaitos.
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Postby Lord_Ehrgeiz » Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:36 pm

from kygar Rhue gets Backslash, i think...
and he had midian's memories. koz he killed him.
Kloe is Serena. she fall to river and i like her (isn't that enought?).
Gaius is damn freak, he use Rhue's false memories to control him. it's like church have her tool to keep people going forvard on the way.
one thing i don't get: why Traziun is traveling with Rhue?
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Postby Grand Admiral Thrawn » Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:18 pm

I thought Backslash was from Strata, because Kygar never used Backslash. If it's not BackSlash and not BackLash
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Postby Sage Of The Wise » Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:33 pm

I'm sure that Backlash was Strata. Kloe fell into a river when she was young because Cetsa pushed her, and then Trazuin found her. Trazuin was probably traveling with Rhue because its more fun to travel with other people then alone. There might be some alterior reason that we don't know of yet though.
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Postby benos » Fri Jan 28, 2005 5:14 am

just a theory, but it would lame. What if it is Rhue's lover?....or something. lame, yes, i don't know.
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Postby Lord_Ehrgeiz » Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:29 am

hey, are you tallkin' about Traziun?! :shock: Yuck, you crazy, or what?!
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Postby Sage Of The Wise » Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:58 pm

I think he means that Serena is the PS. I've seen theroroies on that before, but it doesn't look that likely.
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Postby Culix » Fri Jan 28, 2005 7:21 pm

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Not seeing Lexus in The City means nothing.


But Lexus IS... *sigh* I give up...


^_^o Sorry for not being perfectly clear. Especially since I remember looking at the map of The City in RM2K and seeing Lexus after seeing you type that. But, my point still stands: Lord_Ehrgeiz said he hadn't seen Lexus (and without looking at the game in RM2K, nobody can), and, as I said, not seeing Lexus in The City means nothing; without actually seeing her in RM2K, one can easily still argue that she's somewhere in The City.

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Kygar was defeated, he might still be alive...

It's possible, but, in The Way, I'm not sure I've seen the survival of a character that's been as bloodied up as Kygar was. Also, though it may not mean much since Rhue didn't check Kygar's body as he did Slade's, Rhue's final words to Kygar before leaving are, "I barely knew you Kygar,\.\. but I never liked you much.\.\. So long."

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Rhue didn't get anything from killing Kygar, either. Not good evidence.


I'm pretty sure you get a blade art, Slot Plug or somthing like that.


True; Rhue gets a Blade Art from that fight. I should have been more specific. Lord_Ehrgeiz said that, since Rhue didn't get a Blade Aura from Lexus, he must not have killed her. When I said Rhue didn't get anything from Kygar, I meant in terms of Blade Auras.

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I'm sure that Backlash was Strata.


Yep. I just checked in RM2K: Rhue gets the Weak Link Blade Art from Kygar.

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I think he means that Serena is the PS. I've seen theroroies on that before, but it doesn't look that likely.


I'm not sure it's that unlikely. All things considered, not very much is known about the Phantom Slasher or Serena (unless you trust Rhue's memories completely, which is probably not very wise), so while there isn't much proof for it, there also isn't anything that I can immediately think of against the theory. I'm not saying I believe it, but, unless something's slipped my mind, I think it's still within the realm of possibility.
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