PS = multiple of them?

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Postby Drake » Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:17 am

Yeah! Gaius knows Rhue from their years of experience of Gaius stalking him! Brilliant!
Yes of course, that’s what I said, isn’t it? Oh wait! It isn’t! Heh, strange world we’re in.

Gaius simply knew Rhue sometime in the past!! And in Episode 1 he wanted to make contact, simple, isn’t it? I didn’t say any of that nonsense you’re interpreting here…
But oh? Arguments, you say? See the first dialogue in Lide, Gaius had some use for Rhue and that is exactly why I think their meeting was not by chance. (The funny thing is that I said this before, you seem to ignore everything you don’t like.)

You said that "It makes perfect sense after all", but you drew NO connection whatsoever between Gaius and the shadowy figure/PS.

The same as above, you must have had a fun time interpreting my post, to suit yours.
And again: I’m not talking about the PS in general, heck, that would be like arguing against yourself…

Yeah, geez, why don't you give me your exact, specific, closed-minded theory on exactly what happened at Landorin and tell me it's fact? Yeah, and you can totally start by telling me we can't trust Rhue's memories, because I had no idea of that. Even though that's not the POINT, because something did happen at Landorin, and some part of Rhue was there in some way at a young age, and that person who is Rhue or Jeruh or whatever was in his teens.

The point I was aiming for is that we don’t know how it happened or how old he was back then, that’s why your argumentation didn’t make much sense to me.
I never meant to offend you…

and it's the PS' sprite following Rhue as the PS often does (he shows up in some other places behind Rhue, too, like in E3 after Rhue gets out of the pits and meets Traziun).

That however, is true. I’m sorry. (Having no profound knowledge about all the events sucks at times like this…)

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Wow, I never heard that piece of dialogue… ^^°
All of a sudden I begin to believe in this theory myself. Oh well…
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Postby Nightmare2626 » Sat Jun 25, 2005 1:46 pm

traziun mantions it too somewhere along the lines


Yeah, I remember that too... it was something like "There was something like this before, but that was a long time ago..."

Possibly connected to when the Shadow Swords were last seen? Maybe when the Shadow Swords returned, the PS was also reawoken (assuming it was there the first time around) and tried to... I dunno. Help them kill people (like a FF7 Weapon type thing), or maybe protect anyone who weild's a SS and helps its powers grow? That would explain why the PS never killed Rhue. And why it killed Sorya and the other gangers. But doesn't explain why it doesn't kill children.
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Postby Impossible » Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:51 pm

Wow, Drake, that post was nearly as useless as some of the spam we've been getting. I'll have to paraphrase because I can't be bothered going back to respond to every word, but I believe it went something like this (level of English is to represent the intelligence and forethought that went into the post):

"omg i totllay dindt say tat stuff i just sed and ur gettin sumthing copletely diffrent but i wont actully say anything that baks up a werd i said or explain wtf i was talkin about ill just repet myslef"

None of that shit proves a word about Gaius being the person who was following Rhue, because we already know that was the PS (or potentially Gaius as the PS, but now that I'm looking at this I'm starting to think he probably isn't). It seems somewhat hypocritical that you chose specific parts of my post to innacurately respond to, as you accused me of doing - even though I address virtually every word

The point I was aiming for is that we don’t know how it happened or how old he was back then, that’s why your argumentation didn’t make much sense to me.


And my point was that whoever loved whoever Serena is or whatever/whoever she represents was a teenager. And that was exactly what I said, so you haven't in the slightest refuted my point, or in fact any of my other points.
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Postby nerx » Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:06 am

Much of what we see of Landorian points to the fact that they were teenagers, including the dialouge. I don't know what on earth Drake is on about, he spent a whole post whining about Impossible and not explaining why he thinks the shadows were Gaius. They were the PS [If Gaius is the PS, that's still not relevant] Anyway, the multiple PS theory has been mentioned many times before, and it's likely, but it might just be the same aura. It could be connected with shadow swords and Dippy, too.
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Postby Telephalsion » Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:41 am

"And Ghost Horror will go to another..."

Maybe all of the mystical swords will in some way seek out a master. The PS's sword might make all wileders into psycotic killers. Gaius's sword might give mind reading powers?
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Postby Drake » Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:27 am

nerx wrote:I don't know what on earth Drake is on about, he spent a whole post whining about Impossible and not explaining why he thinks the shadows were Gaius.

Because Impossible had already proven me wrong, (there were more scenes like this one, so the theory made no more sense) but in turn made a few mistakes - which coincidentally were exactly those points I had to "whine" about, surprising, isn't it?

And my point was that whoever loved whoever Serena is or whatever/whoever she represents was a teenager. And that was exactly what I said, so you haven't in the slightest refuted my point, or in fact any of my other points.

... Simplified and more general: Not making sense, since your Argument might not exist at all. (Your Argument: Serena and a young boy not-named Rhue in love with her.)
And if that does not "in the slightest refute your point" then please show me the magical scene I obviously missed as well.

If you want to have the last word, go ahead, I'm not going to explain the same thing more than thrice, and just to point that out again: I didn't just repeat myself because I don't like loosing a discussion (even though that's not the right word here), but because you simply didn't seem understand it and I felt like I had to explain it all over again.

Oh and about the rest of your post.. well, you're funny, yes, but little else.
Why didn't I argue against you? Pretty please, just re-read this line:
"That however, is true. I’m sorry."
Meaning: You right, me wrong. (to put it in words that you might be able to fathom out.)
Ok, now that you got that, re-read the rest of the post. I was merely pointing out that a few of your arguments were misinterpretations, else I would have addressed your whole post, be assured of that.
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Postby Jabbo » Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:51 am

To paraphrase...

Impossible: Rhue was a teenager at Landorin.

Drake: Gaius is following Rhue, and in Episode 1 we see the shadow following him and that shadow is Gaius. We really don't know if Rhue is a teenager at Landorin.

Impossible: Um, the shadows following Rhue are the PS, not Gaius, and even if the PS is Gaius, it doesn't make sense. And it's obvious that we don't know if Rhue was a teenager. It's a theory, dammit! The children we see at the Landorin massacre, regardless of whether or not Landorin actually happened as Rhue remembered it, were probably teenagers.

Drake: Ok, I'll drop the idea that the shadow is Gaius (but won't clearly say that I'm doing so), but I still stand by my basic theory that Gaius is following Rhue. And I was saying that we don't even know Landorin happened, so how can we even say their ages if we don't know they were even children there.

Impossible [Not seeing Drake admit that the shadow isn't Gaius]: Um, you made no evidence to support your original point about the shadow being Gaius. My basic theory was that something happened at Landorin and there were probably children there and Rhue/Jeruh was probably there along with Serena, and at the time they were teenagers. The theory is about their AGES, not what happened at Landorin.

Drake [thinking Impossible is saying what happened at Landorin, not just ages]: Your theory about what happened at Landorin makes no sense.

I'm not taking a side, I just want to clarify what's going on because there's obviously an argument being waged here over misunderstandings.
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Postby Impossible » Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:06 pm

Yeah, it totally makes sense to realise that a point of your argument is wrong but not tell anyone.

Something happened at Landorin. "Rhue" and "Serena" (emphasis on quotation marks) were there. And I said they were probably teenagers.
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Postby nerx » Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:24 am

Impossible doesn't think the boy wasn't named Rhue, he could have been. The whole event could symbolise something else, also. Drake, you didn't say you were wrong.. the Shadows COULD have been Gaius but in a way they WEREN'T Gaius. You weren't showing that Impossible already proved you wrong, you were going on and out of your way for nothing. We don't know much for sure, Drake, those shadows could have been Gaius and the event which Rhue has dreams about could be something entirely different from the Landorian massacre. Sure, the shadows could have been Gaius, but they were the PS. They had the sprite of the PS, the sprite which is slightly edited from Rhue's. Gaius' sprite looks similar too, on the side. But it doesn't mean anything. The PS that is following Rhue doesn't have to be the guy who's been killing everything. We really don't know.. (with the possible exception of the beta testers) My point is we don't know who the PS is, or if there are more than one of them. But evidence suggests that the shadow at the cave couldn't be Gaius. Of course, there could have been nobody there, at the side of that cave. And Gaius could have split himself in two.. or something like that.

If you don't mean to offend people, Drake, then don't. You could be right, you could be wrong, I think Impossible's main problem was that you tried to say those shadows WERE Gaius, not that they could have been [which many have already suggested] Really, this is a past arguement and we should head in another direction. Don't draw any conclusions. [Including admitting you were wrong, you could be right.]

Drake, this was probably Impossible's problem.
Uhm no, you actually did see Gaius as a shadow, two times in episode 1.
You stated this as fact, this is what probably sparked the arguement. Now let's stop wasting space and make some use of this topic.

I think if the there are multiple PSes, then they would be connected by a singular aura, which has been transfered over time. All shadow swords could be infused with this aura, but if effects some more than others. I think everyone with a shadow sword, [or people possibly possessing one] all show some signs of the idea of "Perfect Justice", including Traziun. Rhue has been acting spontaniously, too. The PS could be a singular "Perfect Blade" or there could be many "Perfect Blades". Traziun proved controll over this, but he seems to be slipping. Traziun: "There is no other way" I think Slade's revalation of justice is a major point in the plot, that nobody really have so much authority to declare something as right or wrong.
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Postby Ohtaryon » Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:39 am

O_o ...

o_O ...

It's too bad Lyrra died... I wanna do another one of those story-telling things, where I got to insult "Rhuke's" mom, and totally bloodifyingly annhilate a monster.
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Postby Sage Of The Wise » Fri Jul 01, 2005 3:33 pm

Lyrra had already been knocked out of her own little fantasy world, if she had survived I don't think she would have been the Lyrra we've seen from the earlier episodes.
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Postby Flibbo » Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:41 am

theres still a chance we will see her in dream estrana or something like that
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Postby fwacho » Wed Jul 06, 2005 12:30 am

Nerx, you continue to impress me... thank you for your civility.
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Postby Belthazar » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:51 pm

I believe Gaius may have been somehow corrupted or brainwashed before Rhue remeets him at the end of episode 5. A couple of reasons are that Rhue mentions he is acting "differently" and on top of that he has an ability we can't use known as "Inner Darkness." Now i don't know too many helpful people out there that would have a skill called "Inner Darkness." Plus Gaius is kalamar's "perfect blade" so doesnt that mean he is evil?
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Postby Burning_Flame » Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:27 pm

Well one theory is that Gaius was under Kalmar control but then he was killed by Traziun, then he becaume the new Black lyn and Gaius changed due to that, thus he acted diferently.
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