Elian Gonzales- my thoughts.

[Wellsy]

Didn't read it, though Terry Pratchett is awesome.

[Koren The Wanderer]

Besides, if any kid was going to be the Antichrist, it would be Dakota Fanning, or maybe that Culkin kid. Or Jake Lloyd. Actually, yes, Jake Lloyd is the Antichrist . . .

The one thing I hate about you Americans. I don't know who the hell half the people you talk about are.

Jake Lloyd = annoying child actor in Episode 1: Attack of the Clones, etc.

Episode 1: Attack of the Clones? That's ep 2

But yeah, that kid's annoying.

[AznChipmunk]

I saw that movie, but what part did he play?

[Sage Of The Wise]

I dont know, but I'm going to guess Anakin. Or however its spelled.

[Wellsy]

You are correct, he did play Anakin and yes I meant Ep 1: The Phantom Menace.

[Violent_Paradan]

Its something like 6 is the number of the devil, 6 is the number of the beast, and 6 is the number of the antichrist. So it's 666 meaning all three of them.

I've heard that the older translations of the Bible listed the numbers in three different languages because of some symbolism that was originally supposed to go along with it.

[Telephalsion]

and some people say it's actually 999 cause the writer of revelation saw all of this in a, revelation (who'd have thought) and in dreams you often see things upside down.

[Belthazar]

Personally I'm not Christian and i have never heard all of this before, but like Koren I find all of this pretty interesting.

[CJ]

Didn't read it, though Terry Pratchett is awesome.

Yes I agree.
His "Discworld" books are very funny.

[TeppicTheBloodLyn]

Didn't read it, though Terry Pratchett is awesome.

Yes I agree.
His "Discworld" books are very funny.

So is most of his other stuff.

[ReaperGal]

The dark prince has come!

It's just a shame I'm too old to be his favored concubine. I mean, it'll be about ten years before he's concubine ready. 27 yr old with a sixteen year old... That's a big no.

EDIT: Wait, let's see. It's been five years, so I'm only six years older than him. That's still a no on being the devil's concucine.

*sigh* That's a shame.

[Aegis]

Actually, if you follow the signs, a lot of people could be antichrist...

Hitler, George Bush, Alex Chiu, and now some mexican kid called Elian Gonzales. Geez, the list keeps getting longer. Who's next? Dr. Phil?

EDIT: I am actually a Christian, and I believe that there will be an antichrist. However, I think that some of the things people call signs of the end times and some of the people people think are the antchrist are pretty rediculous.

[War]

Geez, he's only six. How would he be an Antichrist?

Because Glenn told us. I personally don't believe in that kinda stuff, but it's interesting to hear.

Although, I remember there was a thread here awhile ago about the Pope after he died, and someone said something about an antichrist supposedly coming with the new pope. But the pope's name was supposed to be Peter, and Peter it is not. So unless Benedict is Hebrew for Peter, that err.. prophecy is pretty much screwed.

That is after this pope dies and it is not an Antichrist prophecy and the name means different things. The name does not have to be Peter, but somehow related to the name. The prophecy that the Seven hilled city will be destroyed. The prophecy has actually been going as planned so far, but like I said it is not really an Antichrist prophecy. When anything is going to be destroyed in a prophecy everyone thinks its an end of the world prophecy >_>

[Glenn47]

6 was just a little example. And the Pope thing, if it does happen, could still happen in our lifetime (also the antichrist's lifetime if he were six now), and the antichrist is supposed to be just like Jesus, where he gives signs of his trueness, but nobody really knows he's the antichrist until he's older or whatever. Anyway, it's supposed to be the next pope after this new one, right? I can't remember.

[RentACop]

You guys are silly. There's evidence now that the number might actually be 616, and there's quite a few interpretaions of revelation; these are the major views that make up just the Biblical Prophecy school of thought.

The Preterist View
The view of Preterism holds that the contents of Revelation constitute a prophecy of events that were fulfilled in the 1st century. This view depends critically on an early date of Revelation, c. A.D. 68, since any later date makes the "prophecy" post-date the events prophesied. Even accepting that date leaves a narrow margin of 1-2 years before the fulfillment occurs. Preterist interpretations generally identify Jerusalem as the persecutor of the Church, "Babylon", the "Mother of Harlots", etc. They see Armageddon as God's judgment on the Jews, carried out by the Roman army, which is identified as "the beast". Some preterists see the second half of Revelation as changing focus to Rome, its persecution of Christians, and the fall of the Roman Empire. It sees the Revelation being fulfilled in A.D. 70 thereby bringing the full presence of God to dwell with all humanity.


The Futurist View
The futurist view assigns all of the prophecy to some future time, shortly before the second coming. Futurist interpretations generally predict a Great Tribulation, a relatively short period of time where believers will experience worldwide persecution and be purified and strengthened by it, and a rapture, whereby all true Christians are taken from Earth by God into Heaven. Pretribulationists believe that all Christians then alive will be taken bodily up to Heaven before the Tribulation begins. Some variants of this interpretation portray Israeli Jews as collaborators with the Antichrist; well-known futurist Pat Robertson was sharply criticized for actually stating that "The Antichrist is probably a Jew alive in Israel today." Midtribulationists believe that the rapture of the faithful will occur halfway through the tribulation, after it begins, but before the worst part of it occurs. Posttribulationists believe that Christians will not be taken up into Heaven until Christ returns at the end of the Tribulation.

The futurist view was first proposed by two Catholic writers, Lacunza and Ribera. Lacunza wrote under the pen name "Ben Ezra", and his work was banned by the Catholic church. It has grown in popularity in the 19th and 20th centuries, so that today it is probably most readily recognized. Books about the "rapture" by authors like Hal Lindsey, and the more recent Left Behind novels (by Jerry Jenkins and Tim LaHaye) and movies, have done much to popularize this school of thought.

The Rastafarians hold a futurist view of the book of Revelation, relating it both to 20th century events such as the crowning of Ethiopian Emperor Haile Selassie and the Second Italo-Ethiopian War, and also to future events such as the supposed second coming of Selassie on the supposed day of judgement.


The Historicist View
The historicist view regards the prophecy as spanning the time from the end of the first century through the second coming of Christ.

Politically, historicist interpretations apply the symbols of Revelation to the gradual division and collapse of the Roman Empire, the emergence of a divided Europe in the West and a Muslim empire in the East, and the collapse of the Eastern Empire while Europe attempts to re-unite and re-create the Roman Empire.

Ecclesiastically, historicist interpretations see Revelation as teaching that the Church would expand, despite persecution, until it "conquered" the whole world—but, in the process, would gradually evolve into an apostate system within which true Christians would be a persecuted minority. The apostate Church is associated with the symbols of the "Mother of Harlots" and with "Babylon". It is seen as an "Antichrist system" which exists for much of history, rather than expecting a single "Antichrist" in the last days, as futurist interpretations do.

According to historicist interpretations, the second coming of Christ occurs about the time that a partly-reunited Europe starts to wage war against Israel. This view is held mainly by conservative Protestant Christians. The exact constitution of this confederacy differs between interpretations: in some it is mainly composed of Eastern European countries, notably Russia; in others, Western European; some include England, while others suggest that England and former Commonwealth nations will oppose the confederacy. In all historicist interpretations, Christ defeats this confederacy, rescues Israel from certain destruction, judges apostate Christianity and vindicates the true believers, and sets up a kingdom on earth.

The earliest Christian writers adopted a historicist viewpoint, though at such an early date the distinction between historicist and futurist views was less pronounced. Historicist interpretations tend to be millenarian, emphasizing the literal reign of Christ on earth, and as that doctrine receded in importance, so too did the historicist focus in interpretation. Today, historicist interpretations are favored in the most ardently millenarian sects.

Many Protestant writers today use this school of interpretation as the foundation for an anti-Catholic polemic, but it should be noted that such is not an inherent property of historical interpretations. Many Catholic writers in the fourth and fifth centuries applied the notion of future apostasy to their own church, in various ways. Some argued that an apostasy would arise within the church. Others argued that this had already happened, and cited one or another sect which arose over some theological dispute. What differs between interpretations is the identity of the apostasy.


The Spiritual or Idealist View
The Spiritual view (also called Idealist by some writers) does not see the book of Revelation as predicting specific events in history. Rather it sees the visions as expressing eternal spiritual truths that find expression throughout history. Only in the last few chapters are specifically predictive eschatological issues taken up.


The Eastern Orthodox View
Eastern Orthodoxy has an interpretation that does not fit well into any of the above classifications. It treats the text as simultaneously describing contemporaneous events and as prophecy of events to come, for which the contemporaneous events were a form of foreshadow. It rejects attempts to determine, before the fact, if the events of Revelation are occurring by mapping them onto present-day events, taking to heart the Scriptural warning against those who proclaim "He is here!" prematurely. Instead, the book is seen as a warning to be spiritually and morally ready for the end times, whenever they may come ("as a thief in the night"), but they will come at the time of God's choosing, not something that can be precipitated nor trivially deduced by mortals.



Something to gnaw on I guess. Unless you just saw the big blocks of text and went into auto-pilot, in which case I apologize.