Israeli-Palestinian conflict

[Legend of the Past]

Any time, mate.

[Greatchickenman]

Its okay for the Jews to entirely destroy the Canaanites and the Amalekites though, right? after all, it's in the Bible? Did you even realize that the Germans thought that they were doing God's work when they decided to exterminate the Jews?

Basically the Bible is edited by whoever wins. If the Germans had won the war, don't you think they'd have made the bible say that massacring 5,000,000 Jews is A-OK?

If you wanna talk genocides, the Holocaust was definitely not the worse. Not even close.

How about the Russians starving and killing all of the Ukranians in the 30s? 15,000,000 Ukranians died then.

Or how about the 10,000,000 people that died in the Congo due to extensive human rights offences by Belgium?

What about the war going on in the Sudan right now? 2,000,000 people dead so far and 4,000,000 homeless.

[ReaperGal]

Why should I be insulted? I'm not being a matyr, we're not saints and they're big bad people, but they're definetly approaching the problem differently. If you think killing people is the solution, well, I can't say I share your view.

So Britian gave us the lands. They don't give a damn about Britan or the UN. So what your basically saying, is that it's our 'fault' someone gave us a bit of land? I might of come out as trying to make the Jews seem like matyrs, but you come out as trying to make us look like evil, land-grabbing monsters that exist only to ruin the life of the Arabs.

They have reasons as valid as mine, that much is true, but it doesn't mean innocent people who've done nothing to hurt them should die. The situation can't be fixed by living together, because, like I'm sure I already said, we'll be the minority quickly enough, and then the scales will be tipped the other way. Trying to do this will lock the Israelies and Palestinians in a never-ending loop of someone becoming the underdog, and thinking he deserves stuff more. I'm all for a Palestinian state, but I'm all against a Palestinian state in Israel. With all due respect, we've already given them land and allowed them to have their own goverment. Now that goverment is ruled by a terrorist orginazation, whose purpose is to wipe us off the map. And they're the ones that said that, not me.

You want to support Hamas, terrorism and death? Fine, I won't agree with you, but sure. I just want peace. How it comes, is a totally different matter, but I'm not moving away.

No, they're morons. I thought I made the fact that I hate both sides of the argument perfectly clear, but if not, well, I just stated it directly.

The best solution is to build a fucking time machine and get Hitler into art school. Or ease the Jews into the region instead of displacing the palastinians, and instead of imposing another country on them without asking their opinion. But what are we supposed to do now? What's done is done, and this problem can't be solved easily any more.

"Oh, and They don't give a damn about Britan or the UN. So what your basically saying, is that it's our 'fault' someone gave us a bit of land?"

In their mind, yes. You're there. The british are far away. If the british were there, they'd be blowing up the british. If they had given Cambodians the land, guess fucking what.

Oh, and killing people isn't my solution. I never said that. You see, this is one of the things I hate about the situation. If I don't agree with the isrealites, I must support killing them and support the arabs. If I don't support the Arabs, I support the isrealites. No. There's a fucking grey zone.

"but you come out as trying to make us look like evil, land-grabbing monsters that exist only to ruin the life of the Arabs."

And realize, that's how you come off to the people who used to own the land you live on. If you were violently kicked off your land by people who screwed the entire region over for people you don't know, how would you feel?

Oh, and keep in mind, this is from someone who is completely unaffected by the region. I'm not a jew, I'm not an arab, and the religion I was raised with is Bon/Buddihst. I have no direct connection, and this is just what I see.

So, once again, I reiterate. The entire problem never should have even happened. I'm not an Anti-Semite. If you were an arab trying to say isreal had to be removed, I'd be just as pissed at him, and I'll tell you why.

My homeland is currently under the control of a country that's trying to destroy, that is to say, completely eliminate and remove all evidence of my culture. They split apart marriages and force my people into marriages with them as a means to eliminate our race. They forced leaders to flee the country. They bomb my homeland every month. They dump their nuclear waste on our country. They force monks who have taken vows of celebacy, at gunpoint, to have sex with nuns. They kidnap a two year old child, the Panchen Lama, second in authority only to the Dalai lama. They keep him in a secret prison, and replace him with their own. That little boy has never been seen again.

But we aren't fighting back. Our situation is much worse than the Palastinians. Do you know what the tibetans are doing? Asking the UN and the western world for help. Do you know what we've gotten? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. No land returned. No western help. The Chinese can do whatever they want without repercussions.

That's why it's bullshit. The Isrealites aren't doing anything wrong. You could easily argue that all the bloodshed caused by the isrealites was self-defense, and I would agree. But you can't just say that they need to go through the UN, because my people have tried, and it's gotten us absolutely nothing, even though the Dalai Lama is respected the world over as a wise, compassionate, clever and wellspoken man, perhaps the last leader to come out of a once-proud country. My culture, my race, and my entire background is being systimatically destroyed as we speak. I'm all for interracial relationships. But if a group of blacks was forcing me to be with Tynan, I would not be happy. I shouldn't be forced to marry someone, ever. Do you see? Every second that passes, everything that defines me is being taken away.

Now, here's the clincher. NOBODY CARES ABOUT THAT. Everyone is so hung up with other problems, like the isreal conflict, and in my mind, it's a lesser one. Both the isrealites and the palastinians have it better than they think they do, and yet this conflict (compared to other plights, say, the Sudan Genocide, just as one example, since I've talked the hell out of the T.A.R. situation) gets more airtime than any other. My people are going to be gone soon. My culture will dissappear forever, and no one will learn about it in school. Future generations will not know about the tibetan people. But it doesn't matter, and this conflict is one of the reasons why.

I'm sorry I played the "Oh yeah, well my life sucks more" card. But it's integral to my opinion.

By the way, China has done all that to my country and to my people. Do you know how the world responds?
They let the Chinese host the 2012 olympic games.

[Telephalsion]

Thank you for increasing my already sizeable disgust for China.

[Greatchickenman]

Hooray for the only intelligent and credible argument in this entire topic!

When are you guys gonna lock this?

[ReaperGal]

Hooray for the only intelligent and credible argument in this entire topic!

Oh, hardly. I fucking wrote it and it pisses me off.


I will take this oppurtuinity and say this is why I would never elect a woman for president. Sometimes we really do get psycho. I admit it. To tell you the truth, (And I know this isn't nice) but if I had my way, right now, I'd just nuke the entire region.

Actually, I retract that statement. That's why we'd need a vice president. To run the country three days out of every month.

EDIT:

Now, again, call me biased. But from what I gathered, the Muslim religion is a very curropted and treacherous religion from the get-go.

Yeah, well the Jewish religion says I'm not allowed to be on top during sex.
So there.

[Telephalsion]

Discussions are heated, it wont get locked by me, I've participated.

[ReaperGal]

Discussions are heated, it wont get locked by me, I've participated.

Yeah, I apologize already for my posts in this discussion. My opinion is insulting by nature and I'm not currently in the mood to lighten it up.

[Fitz Tayo]

Is something going on in the life of Reaper that we do not know about? Or is it this particular issue?

[War]

The world is so off balance with other parts of the world right now.

There is tons of shit going on in the world. You have Sudan(but think that has stopped, I could be wrong). You have Norther Irland still pretty much fucked up. Hell while were on Sudan lets just say 70% of Africa.

Everyone is fighting just to keep up when they don't see that it is slowing them down. Then there is that nut case who is running Iran and what looks like the sence for WWIII.

I'm glad I live in Ohio

[Wellsy]

I think we can all agree that the UN is a useless piece of bureaucratic vapidity whose main concern is holding international tea parties and passing resolutions it has no intention of enforcing. Also ignoring any real problems and if it does notice, condeming the hell out of them while sticking their thumbs up their asses. Hell, I can condemn stuff and be just as effective as the UN. I'm sure they'll condemn the shit out of Iran if they start anything, but they'll do nothing except shake their heads and shrug. And when the UN does act, it usually fucks things up so it doesn't offend anybody.

Yes, Reaper, China sucks. I was extremely pissed when I found out they'd be rewarded with the Olympics. Also pissed when I heard that Google would be censoring websites for the Chinese just so they could get a piece of the Chinese market. Absolute crap.

[ReaperGal]

Is something going on in the life of Reaper that we do not know about? Or is it this particular issue?

I'm quitting my birth control. This means my periods are off the wall right now.

And plus, there's one thing I just don't like about the Jewish religion. It's right near the beginning, too.
That's the fact that a young lady named Lillith once wanted to be on top for sex. Adam said no, and then Lillith said "It's cowgirl or nothing." So adam was like, 'I'm too much of a misogynist to let my girlfriend be on top ever. You're the woman, you do what I say.'
That's what I don't like.

I do like the rest of that story, though. Lillith left the garden of her own free will, which is incredibly cool. Then she was like 'If adam can't fulfill my needs, I'll find someone who can.' Then she and Satan hooked up and had lots of hot sex for the rest of eternity, or something like that.

But then adam was all alone, and he got tired of his dates with Palmala Handerson, so he made God create a submissive chick who would never want to be on top, so god made Eve. The end.

Now, when he called the Muslim religion corrupt at treacherous, I didn't like that, especially since his own says that women are less than men. And right now, that's enough to get me pissed. Yes, I know that women in islam are treated 'worse,' not being able to show skin outside the house, but Islam doesn't say anything about us not being allowed to go cowgirl.
And if you had trouble reaching climax on the bottom like I do, you'd be vehement about it too.

[Fitz Tayo]

I suppose I would, if I did. Underneathe...

Perfectly valid and justified view from my perspective.

[Greatchickenman]

Lilith heads for the Red Sea where she mates with a bunch of demons there, including Asmodai, the king of the demons.

Adam begs God to bring her back and God relents and sends three angels to take her back. Lilith refuses so the angels decide to kill 100 of her offspring each day until she returns.

Eventually God gets tired and just leaves Lilith alone. Then he creates the subservient Eve.

[Legend of the Past]

Well, I never said the Israeli-Palestinian is the most important in the world. Sure, it's the most important to me, like yours is more important, and the same way it's important to catch Bin-Laden. Or was. Before the US got bored with him.

Sure, there were greater and worse conflicts. But that doesn't make the samller conflicts insignifiacnt. I just wanted an opinion on what you think, not why this conflict is the only conflict in history that means nothing to no one.

Its okay for the Jews to entirely destroy the Canaanites and the Amalekites though, right? after all, it's in the Bible?

They didn't destroy anyone, they banished them according to the Bible. And I learned it at school. They banished them.

Did you even realize that the Germans thought that they were doing God's work when they decided to exterminate the Jews?

Which is why I'm not a German hater. I'm a Hitler hater.

Basically the Bible is edited by whoever wins. If the Germans had won the war, don't you think they'd have made the bible say that massacring 5,000,000 Jews is A-OK?

The Bible's a religous book, not a sixth grade history book you can buy for 4.99 in the local book shop.

If you wanna talk genocides, the Holocaust was definitely not the worse. Not even close.

And WHERE did I say that?