Richard Dawkins- The Root of all evil

[Sling]

Note: I wrote all this in the heat of the moment. My Dad has been bugging me to get off the computer all day so I have not had the chance to go over and revise my statements so I apologise if any of this seems offensive or whatever.

Why is that Tele and Fitz are the only ones who remotely understand what I'm saying?

Morals arn't dictated by religion, religion merely suggests an acceptable code of conduct, regardless of if you follow that religion or not.

That is what I was saying, I just didn't realise you're too stupid to understand that.

Believe me, the people that are getting aborted are NOT gonna grow up to be Einsteins or Mozarts.


And on any level, basically you're saying, "Lets overpopulate the Earth so everyone starves to death, after all there aren't enough starving people right now that we don't do shit to help," or you're saying, "Its much better for a baby to be found dead in a trash can or torn up by dogs after a 15 year old girl gives birth."

Wow, thanks for getting it completely wrong. How the hell did you work that out? I've never said anything which would suggest that.

What if a fetus was going to grow up to be the next Einstein or Mozart? That's minus 8 respect point for you.

Fate is completely within the realm of opinion, so 'the next mozart' argument is flawed and useless. The last time I had my period, that could have been the next mozart, but nobody was outside the mall protesting when I bought my tampax.

Well done. That's your first answer which is actually feasible.
I must admit that my argument was stupid, then again I only said that to prolong this topic.

And anyway, how is moral's a bad thing?

Morals dictated by religion are a very bad thing. Do this, or spend eternity in pain. Using fear to sway people to your opinion. That's terrorism.

You don't know anything about any religon do you? If you did then you wouldn't be saying this. Some religions do teach that. Not all of them. You are tarring all relgions with the same brush. You have no concept about difference between religions therefore your opinion is a puddle crap and pointless.

Obviously there are people who take things way too far, but if there were no morals at all and we followed your beliefs we'd have all murdered each other by now (even though without killing we'd have a population crisis).

No, if we all followed my beliefs, there would be no war, no hate, no poverty. We would be kind to each other not for the sake of getting ourselves into heaven, but only to help each other. Religion is hateful. More people have died in Christ's name than any other, even Stalin's. Not even Buddhism is free from bloodshed. It's your beliefs that propogate violence.

Tarring eveything with the same brush again. Tut, tut.
People haven't died in Christ's name, they were killed. They didn't ask to die. People who kill themselves in the name of a religion are 10 time out of ten not really part of the relgion they claim to be.

Minus eight respect points? Okay, kid, first of all, I'm more respected on these boards than you will ever be. Second, what makes you think I care how much you respect me? I don't respect you at all, and I never have, so your little 'respect count' means exactly nothing to me.

Now that's not very nice is it. You may be more respected than me on this forum but I seriously doubt you will ever be more respected than me elsewhere. Kid? I may only be 17 but my IQ was 136 and my mental age was 21 when I was 14. I also have a B in Relgious Studies(RS was forced upon everyone at my High School), so I think I know more about Religion than you do. Stop tarring all religions with the same brush.

Yes, becuase I spent countless hours calculating and thinking about in a number of different perspectives.

Calculating what? There's no math involved here.

Is there?

So I'm a prophet now?

No. You were spouting a future written by someone thousands of years ago who didn't know shit about social science. Therefore, it's crap.

So I'm not a prophet? Make up your mind. Anyway, I was joking about the whole end-of-the-world thing dumbass.

That's minus 8 respect point for you.
Better make that Minus 7.

I refer you to my earlier statement. Your opinion of me is a drop in the ocean.

My opinion of you is lower than the ankle socks of a particularly small beetle, standing in a ditch, in a quarry, in the Low Country and if I were to meet you in person then you spending a lifetime in hell getting tortured by Beelzebub and his minions would be a joy compared to what I would do to you in 5 minutes.

Yes, but people are too lazy and won't deal with all the nuclear waste appropriately.

It's that sort of defeatist attitude about human nature that religion uses to keep us under their control. Congratulations. You're the one of the sheep hell-bent on keeping humanity from reaching its greatest potential. You make me sick.

It's not a defeatist attitude, it's the truth. Do you have any idea how much nuclear materials are stolen and how much nuclear waste is insufficiently stored? Nuclear energy costs a lot and all these energy tycoons are probably going to be too tightfisted to change to Nuclear. Wind power is the way forward, as it is free. Congratulations. You're going to fuel terrorist stockpiles and cause a nuclear winter.

As much as I would love to stay here and argue with you until doomsday I have other things to get doing.

I would also like to point out that I don't know eveything about Religions and I am mentally disabled so not everything I say may make absolute perfect sense.

And can please talk about something more cheerful?!

Wow, this topic is 9 pages long. Yay, we're on a roll!

[Telephalsion]

It's hard to read througha a text when you suddenly come across something that tickles your insult sense.

I've responded without quoting and it might be hard to follow but I've divided each repsonse with nifty spacing.
Here goes.

GCM probably hasn't read the entire topic, he popped in and read something and that's what it seemed like to him, you can't blame him for not trying to read between lines. If you want to make sure nobody misunderstands you on the internet you have top be damn sure to not leave anything out, naturally nobody does this, cause it would mean restating everything in every post, which is a bitch. But then if GCM had read everything and then still thought that's what you meant then that's what it seemed like, there's no avoiding it.
Perception of your words are in the eye of the beholder, or something like that.


From what I've learned from talking to reaper she's quite knowledgeable in a number of religions, and you can't go saying she knows nothing without proof, it's just empty accusations and it makes you look stupid.
And if she knows nothing then you look even stupider cause you've been picking on an idiot. I'm sorry but that's how I feel.
Everyones opinion is worth the same, you just don't have to like it. Even though I don't follow that line myself it's what should be followed.


People HAVE died in christs name, it's just not as well known.
And even if you don't follow the laws and rituals of a religion you can still be a part of it. I don't know of muslims that go interrogating eachother to make sure they follow their religious laws, and I'm pretty sure that the church I'm a member with wont kick me out just because I watch porn.
There are fanatics in every religion, there have been chrisitans that have chosen a martyrs death.


Now here's where the water in my kettle turned to fumes.
Fuck IQ.
Who cares that you have 138 IQ?
Kids grow smarter all the time, but todays IQ tests are based on logics, nobody cares!
GEtting high scores in regular IQ tests means you can solve problems and think good, it doesn't mean you're a nice guy, that you can speak to people without insulting them or anything, it just proves you got some booksmarts and association skills.
There are other tests of course, and they're more accurate and give a more wholesome view of your intelligence.
And while we're in the bragging way, I got an A in Religion, I find myself reasing history and litterature from different religions all the time, I compare them and I investigate crap like mormons and things.
Back on track, respect.
I think Reaper will be respected pretty much everywhere she goes except for maybe a super anti-tibet chinese community.
Why? Cause she's nice, most of the time, but sheisn't a goody two shoes who thinks eveything is rainbows and butterflies all the time. When she has something to say she says it, loud and clear and pretty articulate too. Maybe it's a bit too sour for some, maybe it's jsut plain wrong, but frankness is generally accepted.
Sling, don't think for a second you know how other people are.
Sure you have the mental age of a 30 year old, or whatever, but that doesn't mean crap to me.
As far as human value comes you're jsut as valuable as Holsteincow or myself, even though holstein seems to have the mental age of a 5 year old at times.
And it's quite simple to tar every religion with the same brush, I do it all the time, the trick is not taking too wide a brush, if you catch my drift.
All religions have laws, all religions forbid some things and encourage others. All religions have fanatics.
See?

That was a bit of a rant there and I excuse myself if it seems a bit sketchy and non linear.




Calculating is math, considering and comparing is the word you should have used. And your reply... wekk ket's just say two word responses mean nothing.



Forgive me if I'm wrong but did she ever say you were a prophet?
If you were joking say so after the first response to said joke, and preferably not with an insult, it'll save us all time and agony.



If you tow love-birds want to fling insult poo like your average rabit monkeys then fine, but don't do it here, I'm keeping this topic up because it interests me greatly, so for fucks sake don't flame here.


Let me just say that it is a deafist attitude:
"if everyone thought like that where would the world be at?"
If everyone thinks that people are lazy and doing stuff is pointless then their misconception becomes truth, yeah sure it's happened but it doesn't mean that you have to give in to it.

WIND POWER? Do you even know how sucky wind power is?
Well not sucky, but space consuming.
Denmark implemented wind power.
Flat country, good wint lots of wind power plants now, still they gnerate low electricity and also unreliable electricity.


I'm sorry if it seems like I'm playing favourites, but I have my opinions and I will follow them.

[Fitz Tayo]

And if she knows nothing then you look even stupider cause you've been picking on an idiot.

Wait! What about War? (Sorry I really couldn't resist)

Anyway, yeah I agree about Reaper, she does seem to have an wealth of knowledge about religious stuff.

On the subject of power. Wind Power does suck. It has initial costs, you need a hell of a load of wind turbines to generate a decent amount of electricity. They're not the prettiest things in the world (Prettier than other power stations, but they're not smack bang in the midle of that field near my house sorta thing). Unreliable because of the winds unreliability and wind turbines make a HELL of a lot of noise.

I personally prefer Hydro Electric Power, though I think we should go onto Nuclear Power. Some radioactive substances have an obsenely large half-life and can generate lotsa yummy power. As long as we put enough money into things like safety it should be fine.

[ReaperGal]

From what I've learned from talking to reaper she's quite knowledgeable in a number of religions, and you can't go saying she knows nothing without proof, it's just empty accusations and it makes you look stupid.
And if she knows nothing then you look even stupider cause you've been picking on an idiot. I'm sorry but that's how I feel.
Everyones opinion is worth the same, you just don't have to like it. Even though I don't follow that line myself it's what should be followed.

Kiss kiss, Tele.

and if I were to meet you in person then you spending a lifetime in hell getting tortured by Beelzebub and his minions would be a joy compared to what I would do to you in 5 minutes.

Wow, thanks for the threat. Someone here is filled with christ's love...

[Fitz Tayo]

and if I were to meet you in person then you spending a lifetime in hell getting tortured by Beelzebub and his minions would be a joy compared to what I would do to you in 5 minutes.

Wait... I didn't bother reading that part. Why?

[ReaperGal]

and if I were to meet you in person then you spending a lifetime in hell getting tortured by Beelzebub and his minions would be a joy compared to what I would do to you in 5 minutes.

Wait... I didn't bother reading that part. Why?

Because it's sound and fury, signifying nothing. I just thought it was amusing, especially because he said that if everyone followed my beliefs we would have all murdered each other by now.

[Greatchickenman]

And anyway, how is moral's a bad thing?

Morals dictated by religion are a very bad thing. Do this, or spend eternity in pain. Using fear to sway people to your opinion. That's terrorism.

You don't know anything about any religon do you? If you did then you wouldn't be saying this. Some religions do teach that. Not all of them. You are tarring all relgions with the same brush. You have no concept about difference between religions therefore your opinion is a puddle crap and pointless.

You do understand that that's what christianity has done, right?

And yes, I have read the entire topic. Reaper stated about the fact that they believe that a fetus is more important than a human. This is an obvious wink towards abortion. To which, sling replied what if the baby was to grow up to a mozart or an Einstein. This would mean that he is therefore pro-life or anti-choice. To which, I replied that most children that are aborted are aborted for good reason, and those that aren't aborted are at risk for an untimely death. It happens all the time where I live.

People haven't died in Christ's name, they were killed

Gee, ever heard of the Spanish inquisition? Or better yet, the Crusades?


And another thing that religion creates are people called extremists. There are the people that blow up busses or office buildings. These are the people that think that it's okay to deforest the earth and rape it of its resources, because the judgement day is coming soon anyway. These are the gentiles that donate money to Israel because the Jews need to have their own country for the end of days to occur.



And I.Q is the biggest pile of bullshit anyway.

You wanna play the I.Q game, you self-righteous intellectual douche?

How about when I was 14 I found out that I had a 156 I.Q?

How about that?

How about now I have an I.Q of over 160? hmm?

I.Q doesn't mean SHIT.

[ReaperGal]

Now that's not very nice is it. You may be more respected than me on this forum but I seriously doubt you will ever be more respected than me elsewhere. Kid? I may only be 17 but my IQ was 136 and my mental age was 21 when I was 14. I also have a B in Relgious Studies(RS was forced upon everyone at my High School), so I think I know more about Religion than you do. Stop tarring all religions with the same brush.

I would also like to point out that I don't know eveything about Religions and I am mentally disabled so not everything I say may make absolute perfect sense.

Of course I'm tarring all religions with the same brush. I even said 'Not even buddhism is free from bloodshed,' because it's true.

I've read the Torah, the Bible, the Book of Mormon, and the Kuran, all by choice. It wasn't forced on me. I spent a good part of my childhood in Buddhist and Hindu monestaries. If you want to play the knowledge game, then I'm sure I'll win.


EDIT: Oh, and you can't play the "I'm smarter than you" and the "mentally disabled" games at the same time.

[Greatchickenman]

it's spelled قرآن

[Strayed Wanderer]

EDIT: Oh, and you can't play the "I'm smarter than you" and the "mentally disabled" games at the same time.

Wanna bet? I've spent most of my life doing it.

Seriously, I said this topic should've been stopped...

Sling, I'm so tempted to go after you. You played the maturity and IQ cards at the same time... plus you decided to say we should respect you more than Reaper. In what world does anything you said pass as maturity? I would hate to be part of that civilization. Are you looking to demolish what remains of my faith in humanity? Is that your agenda here? Mature men do not do these things, they do not fight for the sake of fighting, they are not braggarts, they aren't flat-out rude, and above all else, they TRY not to break under pressure.

I don't even care what the hell this topic is about anymore, I just care that you try to market yourself as something other than a kid with way too large of a chip on his shoulder.


And who the hell brags about a 136 IQ?

[Fitz Tayo]

Are you looking to demolish what remains of my faith in humanity?

That still exists!?

[Telephalsion]

This is why religious discussion is rearely allowed, cause it always ends up in flames. I wont lock it just yet though, I hope we can come back to a civil discussion.

[Fitz Tayo]

This topic was at it's best discussing Evolution and stuff.

[Telephalsion]

Yeah, I'm changin my mind, I'm locking it now, and if you want to discuss the next episode of that series of ducumentaries then do so in a new topic.